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Stop Tyranny by BullMoose1912 Stop Tyranny by BullMoose1912
I thought of adding more stuff to it, but I decided that this looked best and that more detail would just be superfluous.

And if the Tea Party can quote the Founding Fathers, so can I.
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2013
Thomas Jefferson was a libertarian. By tyranny, he was referring in part to the totalitarian economic policies you support.
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plzwork112234 Featured By Owner May 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Your a Socialist Commie... Meaning you support Tyranny
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner May 25, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
How so? Care to explain this? Because there's other forms of economic planning besides the centrally planned system of the Soviet Union (which I disagree with) that is, decentralized planning in which individual syndicates come to a consensus on what society needs, rather than what we have now in which individual firms, independent from one another, only produce goods that will maximize profit.

And surprisingly, you're actually right. Because I know about that PRATT (Point Refuted A Thousand Times) about Obama supposedly being a socialist. (Hence I'm really not pleased with Obama. Get that, a socialist does't like Obama. Obama's a capitalist? Who knew?) I would try to refute it, but it's already been done a thousand times before, and judging from your very intelligent comment you are too good to listen to that PRATT.

But I understand the conservative idea of individual choice. Which would be fine and dandy if that was how it actually worked in reality, rather than having only a few large firms controlling such a large part of the market, with many smaller firms that barely make any impact whatsoever.
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zane1193 Featured By Owner May 24, 2012
I have quoted Thomas J. in my newest journal too.
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2011
Tea Party gets to quote the Founding Fathers because they actually know what they supported.

You want to stop tyranny, you should be protesting the government's interference in the economy (starting with your own democrat party).
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm only a Democrat in name and pragmatism only. Frankly, I hate what I've seen of most Democrats. They're both in bed with the corporations. I would vote third-party, but third parties never win, and if too many people vote for a third party, the party at the other end wins.

Did you know that there actually was a time when there was no government interference with the economy to speak of? Yes, about 100 years ago. The markets were totally free, there were no government handouts, possibly a few soup kitchens/charities, but no government interference whatsoever. And you know what? People were well off. People named Vanderbilt, Carnegie, and Rockefeller. Everyone else? More or less abject poverty. The only reason you have whatever standard of living you do (unless your assets are worth hundreds of millions or billions now and your name is Koch, Blankfein, or something along those lines) is because of the working class lobbying the government for pesky nuisances such as 8-hour workdays, weekends, basic safety restrictions, etc.

And you think the Tea Party's right? Here's a quote from the hero of libertarians and Tea Party protesters everywhere, Thomas Paine, from his book Agrarian Justice:

To create a national fund, out of which there shall be paid to every person, when arrived at the age of twenty-one years, the sum of fifteen pounds sterling, as a compensation in part, for the loss of his or her natural inheritance, by the introduction of the system of landed property:

And also, the sum of ten pounds per annum, during life, to every person now living, of the age of fifty years, and to all others as they shall arrive at that age.


Sounds like social security to me.

There could be no such thing at landed property originally. Man did not make the earth, and though he had a natural right to occupy it, he had no right to locate as his property in perpetuity any part of it; neither did the Creator of the earth open a land-office, from whence the first title-deeds should issue.



No instinctive natural concept of private property? Sounds like a communist to me. Or as is probably more likely the case, an anarcho-collectivist. He has more in common with Mikhail Bakunin than Glenn Beck.

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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2011
Hahahahaaa!:rofl:

Tea Partiers cannot quote anything right to start with, let alone the founders of the nation.
Half of them think the nation was founded on christian principles as a christian nation.

Bachmann, Palin, Snatorum, they all fuck their Constitutional remarks, American historical references, and comments about the founders.

Sonrogue is a tool
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Google the word Santorum and look at the first result. I think you'll be pleased with it.
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2011
Oh I already know what that is. I say it all the time.

"you got santorum on your nose" :rofl:
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2011
*sigh*

You'll learn the truth one day, kid. Ignorance may be bliss, but reality doesn't tolerate it for long.
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You know, I could say the same with you. Maybe you won't become anti-capitalist, but you might realize that Obama's not a socialist or a communist.

I do think Obama's a manchurian candidate to a certain extent though. He came into office claiming to be a "progressive" but in office we learned that he's a good bit farther to the right than we hoped. And that he's all speech and no action.
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2011
I don't give a damn what dear leader is; he's bad for America's economy and that's all I need to know.
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You know what? I agree with you. I think he's bad for America's economy as well. We might think the opposite of each other when it comes to what should be done, but at least we can agree that Obama's presidency has been terrible.
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2011
Also, in regards to your quotes from the Founding Fathers, do realize that, regardless of their wisdom, they were human and thus open to being wrong.

The final judge of what is moral is reality, not any person's words.
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"Tea Party gets to quote the Founding Fathers because they actually know what they supported."

---sonrouge

So essentially, when the Tea Party quotes the Founding Fathers, it's infallible evidence that the Founding Fathers would support their cause, but when OWS supporters quote the Founding Fathers, they're wrong because the Founding Fathers were "human and thus open to being wrong" as you say.

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sonrouge Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2011
Well then, you need to recognize why he's bad for the economy and work to stop it.
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2011
Most of these Occupy protesters are trying to reassert the tyranny of socialist government.
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Some protestors are looking for a complete overthrow of the government, but from what I've seen, many just want accountability for multinational corporations, to reduce their influence in politics. There are people of all stripes there. I've seen just as many people with Tea Party slogans like "End the Fed" as I've seen people with anti-capitalist slogans.

Just wondering, have you ever been to any of the OWS protests IRL?
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2011
Yes, I went to Occupy Madison and talked with the organizers. They're communists. And I mean that literally.
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So they're not liberals? Because I do know that a lot of people on the Right believe that liberal is the same thing as communist, or in the very least that liberals are actually manchurian candidates who pretend to be moderate but are secretly communists. Are you one of those people?
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2011
I think that line is blurred when self-described liberals start sporting pictures of Che Guevara and signs with anti-capitalist slogans written across red stars and revolutionary fists.
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
How do you know they describe themselves as liberals? They sound like socialists to me. Most liberals I know wouldn't do that, and most socialists I know would do that. Also, I have never met a socialist either online or IRL who liked Obama, despite what someone like Conservatoons might say. Sure, the Democratic Socialists of America endorsed him in 2008, but they were thinking about who would be most likely to win. The primary reason I don't vote third-party is because it won't do any good. You might as well not vote at all.

Also, off topic, what do you think of anarchism?
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2011
Because I asked.

It's no secret that these days, liberals are toying with nationalization and other anti-capitalist totalitarian ideas.
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SaxonPride Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2011
Here's the thing. You quote Jefferson, and we all know he was a great American. But soe of these protestors have been shitting on the American flag. Literally dropping their trousers and defecating on the American flag.
Can you honestly say that people like that are capable of respecting a man like Jefferson or even comprehending the founding principles of America?
Fighting against tyranny is very important. But in our zeal, we must never see paper dictators where none exist. Ask yourself if corrupt bankers and self-serving politicians are bad enough to label the entire American government as a tyranny.
Have you been imprisoned for voicing this opinion? Has your property been stolen and you fundemental rights been taken away? Are you unable to vote or become part of a trade union?
Are you suffering under the same despotism as the Iraqis, Afghans and Libyans were?

Because if you are not, I feel it is irresponsible to bandy the 'T' word around as though it were a toy.
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BluePhoenixx Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Very well said. I might add that there's a good reason to be upset, but they have been fooled by the very people they should be upset with.
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Conservatoons Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2011
You can quote them, but can you bathe?
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BluePhoenixx Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Hahaha
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hitlerisdead Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2011
Can you debate without slinging insults?
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Conservatoons Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2011
no hippies please.
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The-Laughing-Rabbit Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I like how when ever someone calls you out on stupid shit, or presents a viable argument with the potential to prove you wrong, you always say "no hippies please." please prove me wrong and actually say something of value rather than saying no hippies please, otherwise I'm forced to use the evidence at hand about you, and conclude you don't know what you are talking about.
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Conservatoons Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2011
I try not to indulge or encourage libs.

no hippies please.
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The-Laughing-Rabbit Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
you think I'm a liberal, that's funny. you should be a comedian. Also, due to the lack of a real defense, I am forced to take the assumption that you don't know what you are talking about.
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Conservatoons Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2011
no hippies please.
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The-Laughing-Rabbit Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
alright, you confirmed it, your an idiot.
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hitlerisdead Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2011
Oh youuuuuu, such a tease such a TEASE! Stop that :V
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