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George Orwell, the British Rebel by BullMoose1912 George Orwell, the British Rebel by BullMoose1912
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For the right-wingers who support Orwell for some odd reason:

Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic Socialism, as I understand it.

In my opinion, nothing has contributed so much to the corruption of the original idea of socialism as the belief that Russia is a socialist country and that every act of its rulers must be excused, if not imitated.

I had seen little evidence that the USSR was progressing towards anything that one could truly call Socialism.

[In Anarchist Catalonia] was the first time that I had ever been in a town where the working class was in the saddle ... There was much in it that I did not understand, in some ways I did not even like it, but I recognized it immediately as a state of affairs worth fighting for.

Human beings [in Anarchist Catalonia] were behaving as human beings and not as cogs in the capitalist machine.


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A liberal intelligentsia is lacking. Bully-worship, under various disguises, has become a universal religion, and such truisms as that a machine-gun is still a machine-gun even when a "good" man is squeezing the trigger have turned into heresies which it is actually becoming dangerous to utter.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.

To admit that an opponent might be both honest and intelligent is felt to be intolerable. It is more immediately satisfying to shout that he is a fool or a scoundrel, or both, than to find out what he is really like.

A totalitarian state is in effect a theocracy, and its ruling caste, in order to keep its position, has to be thought of as infallible.

Public opinion, because of the tremendous urge to conformity in gregarious animals, is less tolerant than any system of law.

Threats to freedom of speech, writing and action, though often trivial in isolation, are cumulative in their effect and, unless checked, lead to a general disrespect for the rights of the citizen.
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frankteller Featured By Owner May 24, 2014
I know some communists who hate him because he was anti-Soviet. I think a lot of conservatives like him for the same reason.
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MRB16th Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2013
Happy 110th birthday to George Orwell. Animal Farm was one of the best works I have ever read.
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HolyKrieger Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013
Capitalism still is Awesome
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macker33 Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Orwells easily one of my favourite authors ever.
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I keep hearing Catalonia being used as a successful example of anarchy. How can it be considered successful if it was invaded by fascist Spain? That just shows why true anarchy can never be obtainable: eventually, a stateless society will be taken over by a state. History has shown this many times. Why else were the Europeans so easily able to conquer the native Americans and seize their land? Because they never believed in the concept of property or a state. This merely gave the Europeans an excuse to take their land and claim it as their own.

Don’t get me wrong: I sympathize with anarchists. I really do. I just don’t accept their logical conclusion, if you can call it logical, of complete abolition of the state. If we are going to create a stateless society, it has to be in consensus with the rest of the world; otherwise, a country will simply invade and take it over: [link]
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I will admit that it's not so successful in terms of defense. That's why it was so hard to defeat the fascists; their society was incredibly hierarchical and authoritarian and therefore was better at defense.

It's kind of like that Treehouse of Horrors episode of the Simpsons where the family gets a Monkey's Paw and Lisa wishes for world peace. Everyone seems to be getting along in utopian fashion, but when the aliens Kang and Kodos come to invade they're more defenseless.

Then again I've heard ideas (not sure of their legitimacy) that if America, the big global imperial superpower becomes socialist that would influence lots of other countries to do the same. (Implying that a turn to socialism would lead to the country not wanting to stick its nose where it can make money and start wars for big business to profit off of. The idea being that a big reason for war is the profit that corporations can make off of it.)
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Aradical-Man Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Truer words have never been spoken. Thank you for posting this. Take care.
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner May 31, 2012   General Artist
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner May 30, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I love the quote about totalitarianism being misquoted.
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Dom1917inic Featured By Owner May 29, 2012
1984 was a political revelation to me when I read it at 14, the section where you get to read extracts from Goldstine's book, Goldstine being a parody of Trotsky, who he admired even if he did not politically agree with on various issues, blew me away, as, while it contains many things I later disagreed with, for all it's crudity, Orwell presents a broad picture class society and class-struggle based around ownership of the means of production.

Thus, my radicalism of the time was finally grounded in a class analysis of society, which I had never come across before, growing up in the 90's with all it's postmodern bullshit that has been blown away by the mass workers struggles we see devolving around us.

Regarding the shameful abuse of Orwell's name and works by the right-wing, he himself was horrified when he realised in the late 40's that this was happening, in America in particular 'Animal Farm' and '1984' were being promoted as not simply anti-Stalinist, but anti-socialist too. In response Orwell wrote numerous letters to various national American papers and journals protesting in the strongest of terms, but of course, the right just ignored them an continued.

Today I am a Trotskyist in the 'Socialist Party of England and Wales,' I feel I own a lot to Orwell for helping to point me in the direction of socialism, even if, as a Trot, I'm well aware that me and Orwell would not be in full agreement, although at his best, which Black-Cat-Rebel correctly identifies as during the Spanish Civil War, Orwell did, on the basis of his experiences, adopt a position practically identical to the Trotskyist's at that stage. For all the heroism of the rank and file anarchist fighters and activists, it must never be forgotten that the anarchist leaders of the mass anarco-syndicalist unions betrayed the revolution as well as the reformists and the Stalinnists, entering the capitalist popular-front government, disarming the working-class, smashing the workers control in the factories and land occupations and laying the basis for the victory of Franco.

Getting back to Orwell, while 'Homage to Catalonia' was his high point, without question his lowest was during the late 40's where, in spite of his previous principled stand for democratic-socialism, gripped by cynicism at the failure of the 1945 labour government to go far enough and the spread of Stalinism to Eastern Europe, he did hand over names of communist party members to the British security services. I might not support Stalinism politically myself, but it is an absolute betrayal of socialist principles to support the capitalist state in attacking the workers movement, they are NOT the eternal guardians of freedom and liberty, defending the working-class from Stalinism, should capitalism be threatened by the forces of democratic-socialism or anarchism they will attack it with just as much venom, more so in fact, given the counter-revolutionary role Stalinism has played for a whole historical period before it's near disappearance as a mass organised force in the workers movement after the fall of the Berlin wall.

A united front of all the left against attempts of the state to attack the freedom of the workers movement to organise is really a matter of fundamental principle. Heck, when in either 1939 or 1940, the national newspaper of the Communist Party of Great Britain was temporally banned because of the anti-war position they took, my party, known as the Revolutionry Communist at that stage produced a leaflet opposing it and distributed it in the factories, even though not only were communist party members continually attacking in that paper, saying we were fascists, they were even beating us up on the streets!

Back to Orwell though, a few years ago, to mark the century of his birth, my party did carry an article about him in our national paper, attempting to correct the balance regarding the already referred to distortions by the right-wing. Refreshingly though, we were very honest in not attempting to 'steal Owrwell' for the Trotskyist cause, we give an honest assessment allowing Orwell to speak for himself, also below that article is a short review we did of 'Homage to Catalonia,' enjoy comrades ;)

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Shiki-Scarlet Featured By Owner May 28, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I hate the people that abuse Orwells works, like one right winger I debated who compared universal healthcare to "1984" dispite the fact Orwell was a democratic socialist.

Great piece.
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The-Laughing-Rabbit Featured By Owner May 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I laugh, and hard. Political satire, and social cometary, you need to know the authors background to understand it properly, and idiots like Glen Beck clearly haven't done there home work (ah, see what I did there, lulz) and prove it whenever they call something Orwellian.
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Shiki-Scarlet Featured By Owner May 29, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Ya
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner May 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Though I guess I can see where a rightwinger might be coming from, being very concerned with voluntary involvement, and government mandates being antithetical to that.

Though in practice it doesn't always work out the best.
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Sheepy94 Featured By Owner May 28, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Same here, especially Randroid Libertarians of all people.
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bttlrp Featured By Owner May 29, 2012
Rand's shitty book was a terrible (and somewhat shameless) imitation of 1984, but it's a rambling failure, unlike the prosaic genius of Orwell.
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Sheepy94 Featured By Owner May 29, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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Design-smith Featured By Owner May 28, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Well said, thanks for searching these quotes out!!
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner May 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's not that hard to find quotes for George Orwell. Just search "George Orwell quotes" in Google.
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kite469 Featured By Owner May 27, 2012
I read animal farm and 1884, and i must say...he was a man beyond his years
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broosey Featured By Owner May 27, 2012
Unfortunately, in reality most of the time when a country has a socialist revolution it becomes Communist and indistinguishable from fascism.
Socialism only works in a perfect world, and if we lived in a perfect world we wouldn't need a government anyway.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner May 30, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Unless you remember Canada or Cuba
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broosey Featured By Owner May 31, 2012
Well, as far as I know Canada has some socialistic institutions but doesn't practice pure socialism.
Cuba, on the other hand IS communist.

Not sure what you're referring to here.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Cuba has some of the finest healthcare in the world. So at least we know that socialism does work on some level.
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broosey Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2012
Decent healthcare on one hand, most of your money being taken by the government and a prison cell for your kids and a firing squad for you if you say anything against the government.

I prefer paying for health insurance.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Not just decent, better overall than what's recieved in the united states.

There are forty five thousand deaths in the united states every year from people being unable to afford medical insurance. So if you can pay for it, you're already a very privileged person.

You really ought to be ashamed, when your country is being beaten in healthcare by a small Carribean nation. Did I mention that Cuba also surpasses the United States for literacy?

Again, you can probably pay to be taught to read because you're part of the privileged few.
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broosey Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2012
I'd like to see where you got your statistics as far as 45,000 people dying every year in the US due to a lack of medical insurance. Emergency rooms in the US can't turn away someone who's injured or very sick regardless of having or not having health care insurance, so... What are you talking about, exactly?

As for beating us in health care, it's slightly different giving healthcare to a total population of 11 million Cubans versus 300 million Americans. It's also easier to keep track of 11 million people when you have a dictatorial government that controls almost every aspect of your peoples' lives. Not to mention the fact that there isn't anyone fleeing America to get to Cuba without visas (which wouldn't matter, because the Cuban government would probably put them in prison anyway).

Same thing goes with education.

There's benefits to having a totalitarian government like the one in Cuba, but personally I prefer to earn my way and not have to worry about having three generations of my family winding up in prison because I pissed off Castro.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
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There's three sources, I hope that satisfies you for now.

Same point, Cuba is a communist dictatorship and the United States is the most powerful, wealthy country in the world and you're still providing sub par healthcare compared to virtually every other country in the Industrialized world, including the socialist European states. But hey, The United states looks pretty good next to Afghanistan, amiright?

No, but there's a lot of Americans fleeing the United States to go to Socialist Canada and their government healthcare. Like the Palins, just to name one famous example.

But fuck it, the United States has great healthcare if you're a billionaire.

I understand that Cuba is a dictatorship, and I am a supporter of democracy in general. But the point still stands, the United States should be ashamed that it's beaten out by Cuba in terms of healthcare and literacy. And all you've given me is "They're totalitarian, derp!" Hell, you haven't even refuted any of the facts that I've given you, only that you're rich enough to pay for all your stuff, though whether you earned it or inherited it I have no idea.
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner May 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Didn't seem to happen to Anarchist Catalonia, which Orwell seems to like a lot from what I've read of Homage to Catalonia. It instead was brutally repressed by both Franco and his fascists and Soviets who thought people weren't ready to manage themselves.
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TheLightsWentOutIn99 Featured By Owner May 28, 2012  Student Writer
Anarchist Catalonia existed for three years. Why is that always your fall-back?
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner May 29, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Because it's probably the most successful example. Of course I could mention Freetown Christiania or the autonomous zones created by the EZLN.
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TheLightsWentOutIn99 Featured By Owner May 29, 2012  Student Writer
This reminds me of the libertarians who point to micro-states as the success stories of their ideology. It seems to me that any anarchist attempt in history has either been tolerated/fostered within a larger state or crushed within a few months/years.
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner May 30, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Though not self-destructed. And there's a difference between toleration and fostering. Fostering implies that the society is dependent on the larger state, while tolerance implies that the larger state just lets it exist for whatever reason, which they are often unlikely to do, considering government attempts to destroy Freetown Christiania for example. Oh, and the EZLN zones are part of a civil war with Mexico, so Mexico is actively trying to destroy them. Militarism and authoritarianism require hierarchy, which is antithetical to anarchist ideas. Hence one often sacrifices force (the EZLN very rarely uses violence for example) for sticking to ideals.
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TheLightsWentOutIn99 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2012  Student Writer
So, if there was nothing around Freetown Christiana it would still be there? I don't think so.

It was my understanding that Mexico has effectively written off the autonomous EZLN zones.
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broosey Featured By Owner May 27, 2012
I honestly need to read up on anarchist Catalonia, but just from a brief overview it looks like it only lasted a year, maybe two years, and there were other political groups in charge of Catalonia that shared power with the anarchist party.
Regardless, like you said yourself it got repressed. It couldn't sustain itself in the face of other powers, which is a major problem with true socialism.
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner May 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It does often seem like if it doesn't get corrupted, it eventually gets violently suppressed.
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broosey Featured By Owner May 27, 2012
Yeah, that's the problem. It gets taken advantage of within or without almost every time.
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RhetoricHaystack Featured By Owner May 27, 2012  Professional General Artist
excellent collection of quotes. i have often lamented the misrepresentation of Orwell myself. great deviation!
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Overlord299 Featured By Owner May 27, 2012
He was a bit like me. Left-wing but ultimately becoming disillusioned with communism. Ultimately falling somewhere left of the center
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Dravazed Featured By Owner May 27, 2012
This is excellent. Please let me know if you'd like this image/page tweeted.
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner May 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think you've asked me this a couple times already. Go right ahead! No attribution or permission needed.
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Dravazed Featured By Owner May 27, 2012
Done (and thanks). I've probably asked you about other images, both bcs I can't remember everyone's work I've tweeted, and also bcs some images ppl want tweeted, and some not. Thanks again.
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Ionosphere-Negate Featured By Owner May 27, 2012
So basically when he wrote 1984 he was insulting the overall mentality of humans?
In that case, he can go fuck himself.
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner May 29, 2012
In a way, it was a mix of communism and human manipulation.
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Ionosphere-Negate Featured By Owner May 29, 2012
Yeah. I gathered that about what kind of government was being featured :U. I'm talking about the Calvinistic (in relation to John Calvin's teachings) nature of the portrayal of humans and humanity as a whole.
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner May 29, 2012
I see.
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Sheepy94 Featured By Owner May 28, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The book was an allegory about Stalinism, you thick fuck.
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Ionosphere-Negate Featured By Owner May 28, 2012
Oh, you again :/.
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2112yyz2112 Featured By Owner May 27, 2012
Seems he is less understood and all too misquoted of late, when the opposite is so in need of being the case. Though both sides can "claim" some of his views to favor their agendas, I think I see him as a leftie!
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