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The best way to fight the world's problems is to start at the source. If we let the "free market" decide everything, it will inevitably favor the ruling class, those with power, money and influence. Don't have money? Sorry, can't be a part of it. And of course, the market panders to the ruling class, which is often made up of certain groups of people, and the working class, made up of another group of people.

Upward mobility is difficult when the system is working against you because you can't contribute enough. Becoming equal with them (like if you're non-white, female, LGBT, etc.) is hard when the multinational corporations pander to those who can buy the most, the ruling class.

After all, people are naturally selfish, and capitalism allows them to indulge in greed because it's the market that decides what is made, and often what the government will provide and for who.

It costs money for a business to do things for the workers, like safe working conditions, a real living wage, reasonable hours, and also to be sustainable for the health and welfare of the planet.

It wasn't capitalism that gave us the 8-hour workday, the weekend, safe working conditions, the abolition of child labor, the right to vote for blacks and women, equal rights under the law for all races and creeds, or any of that stuff. It was the people united against the tendencies of capitalism that gave us what we so needed.

Interesting video of a speech by the political scientist Michael Parenti of why capitalism doesn't work for most people: [link] (Skip to 1:26 to skip the introduction.)
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KarenRonwood Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It's amazing how you seem to think capitalism is worse than all the above injustices.

With the way you define capitalism I honestly agree with you. Though I am an Anarcho Capitalist, and would term what you describe as "corporatism."

However I feel compelled to correct you on this:

"It wasn't capitalism that gave us the 8-hour workday, the weekend, safe working conditions, the abolition of child labor, the right to vote for blacks and women, equal rights under the law for all races and creeds, or any of that stuff. It was the people united against the tendencies of capitalism that gave us what we so needed."

Most of these practices actually originated in the market due to competition for labor, only to later be codified into law by government, and be credited to unions.

Before the industrial revolution most people had to work 16 hour days just to feed their families. When people started moving to the cities the old labor practices came with them, but it didn't take long for everyone to realize that with the increased productivity industrialization offered they could live quite comfortably while working far less hours.

If Capitalist A is paying you $1 an hour with a 16 hour workday, and Capitalist B invests in some labor saving machinery that allows him to offer to pay you $2 an hour with an 8 hour workday you'll want to take Capitalist B up on his offer since you'll be making the same amount in half the time. This is competition for labor.

If not for government and central banks (I see them as two parts of the same whole) we'd likely have the same or better living standards while working less than 8 hours a day. In the latter half of the 20th century economists were predicting that by the 21st century people would be working more like 8 hours a week due to all the productivity enhancing technology we've been developing. However, what those economists failed to predict was the destructive effect of inflation on the cost of living.

Competition for labor also resulted in safer working conditions. If workers are injured or killed at Capitalist A's factory, but not at Capitalist B's factory then workers who value their safety will prefer to work at Capitalist B's factory.

Child labor is an interesting topic. Before industrialization children had to work to support their families. Once again when families moved to the cities, they brought the old labor practices with them. Once again it didn't take people long to realize that parents were earning enough for their family to live comfortably and for their children to go to school. It wasn't until 1938 that government declared it illegal to hire children. By this point child labor was already all but unheard of outside of agriculture, and even there children only comprised 6-7% of the workforce.

The government was the one who precluded all but white males from voting. It was government who legally supported slavery and even went so far as to subsidize slave catchers. It was capitalism that put the final nail in the coffin for slavery with the advent of industrialized farming. A plantation owner with ten employees and a cotton gin could produce more than a plantation owner with a hundred slaves. All government did was send half a million men off to die and take all the credit with a nice speech and a few pen strokes amending the constitution. Every other nation on Earth (with the exception of Haiti) managed to end slavery without a war.
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Akatsuki-Kuchiki Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2014
( a tip of the hat to you) This is very true.
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abraxaes Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2014
This doesnt work with human psychology as proven by every communist regime EVER, and also this is what EVERY communist regime used on a daily basis to run their countries.
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mclj10 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2014
Please inform me of a racist, homophobic, xenophobic, communistic nation.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner May 25, 2014  Student Writer
To this day no one has ever managed to give me an alternative that would realistically work. 
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mlmiller Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2014
Let me guess. You still work for money, still live in the Capitalist West. Red China, USSR, Albania, Cuba have all tried Marxist Socialism. As did the Mayflower pioneers, although it was well before Marx categorized it. Guess what. No one likes it when they work harder than someone else,  but don't reap the rewards, because everything has to be divided "equally". Don't like capitalism? Then don't work for money, find some lace to live where you need no "money". Good luck. It will probably be a Hunter Gatherer society, with no Cell phones, Computers, sanitary napkins, Midol, you name it. Good luck. And yes, Unions are part of Capitalism. Just go talk to their Presidents who make a lot more than you do.
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MyLittleTripod Featured By Owner May 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
"You still work for money, still live in the Capitalist West."

Not out of any meaningful choice. Most of us still need some form of income in order to survive. But by your logic, it's hypocritical to be a slave on a slaveowners land and yet hate being a slave.

"Red China, USSR, Albania, Cuba have all tried Marxist Socialism."

Actually it was more like a form of State-institutionalized Socialism, which failed because the leaders behind the revolutions (Mao,Lenin,Castro etc.) foolishly assumed that they could use their power as well as their control over the state as a means to achieving the Stateless, Classless, Moneyless Society that Karl Marx promised in his Communist Manifesto, but as the book 1984 says: "No-one ever seizes power without relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end."

"Guess what. No one likes it when they work harder than someone else,  but don't reap the rewards, because everything has to be divided "equally"."

A simple solution to this that doesn't require Capitalism: 
in every worker-run factory, have democratically elected "Labour Moniters" that look at the amount of productive hours that a worker has done and determines the wage accordingly, so that the guy who sits on the job gets paid next to nothing and thus is incentivised to work harder. I believe that equal pay should mean equal ability to earn the no. of wages he desires, not a fixed amount that is paid to every worker no matter how hard he works.

"Don't like capitalism? Then don't work for money, find some lace to live where you need no "money"."

Not as simple as that. Eventually at some point, some large Corporation or Bureaucrat with a large sum of money will come across your turf and decide that he just might like having that, and you won't be able to fight back. Unless you go to the most remote corner of the earth, which just isn't an option for most people.

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And yes, Unions are part of Capitalism. Just go talk to their Presidents who make a lot more than you do."

Firstly,explain the Corporate opposition to worker unions in the early part of the 20th Century, like the Dublin Lockout of 1913 for example. Secondly, how does the Presidents of these unions having more money than me make them better than me? It's like saying that Donald Trump is smarter than me because he's wealthier.
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Fight Actual Racism
Fight Actual Sexism
Fight Actual Homophobia
Fight Cruelty
Fight Government Censorship
Fight Imperialism
Fight Fascism
Fight Slavery
Fight Warmongering
FIGHT SOCIALISM

Milton Friedman FTW :D
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DeltaHD Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014
Don't forget Free Religion.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Lennin did a good job of fighting all those things. he decriminalized homosexuality, outlawed racism and anti-semitism and let women into the universities. 
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