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The best way to fight the world's problems is to start at the source. If we let the "free market" decide everything, it will inevitably favor the ruling class, those with power, money and influence. Don't have money? Sorry, can't be a part of it. And of course, the market panders to the ruling class, which is often made up of certain groups of people, and the working class, made up of another group of people.

Upward mobility is difficult when the system is working against you because you can't contribute enough. Becoming equal with them (like if you're non-white, female, LGBT, etc.) is hard when the multinational corporations pander to those who can buy the most, the ruling class.

After all, people are naturally selfish, and capitalism allows them to indulge in greed because it's the market that decides what is made, and often what the government will provide and for who.

It costs money for a business to do things for the workers, like safe working conditions, a real living wage, reasonable hours, and also to be sustainable for the health and welfare of the planet.

It wasn't capitalism that gave us the 8-hour workday, the weekend, safe working conditions, the abolition of child labor, the right to vote for blacks and women, equal rights under the law for all races and creeds, or any of that stuff. It was the people united against the tendencies of capitalism that gave us what we so needed.

Interesting video of a speech by the political scientist Michael Parenti of why capitalism doesn't work for most people: [link] (Skip to 1:26 to skip the introduction.)
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alfie532 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2015  New Deviant
North Korea has slavery
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Valkaneer Featured By Owner May 5, 2015  Professional Writer
CaptainSquirel, is the quintessential voice of the uninformed capitalist.

 
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CaptainSquirel Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This can't be more wrong. It's quite funny really, how capitalists countries have lower inequality, cruelty, censorship, slavery, etc. It's communist and socialist countries that have a ton of that since it promotes government corruption. You state "After all, people are naturally selfish, and capitalism allows them to indulge in greed because it's the market that decides what is made, and often what the government will provide and for who. It costs money for a business to do things for the workers, like safe working conditions, a real living wage, reasonable hours, and also to be sustainable for the health and welfare of the planet" yet capitalists countries have the best working conditions, best wages, and more rights and freedom then any other because they have a say. I honestly can't fathom this bs. I guess you never actually did your own research and go to the different countries and SEE the difference between a good system and a bad system. Just another note if people are naturally selfish why would it be better to give a select few a ton of power over everyone else in a whole country, wouldn't they just screw over everyone in the country? I think so. Get some facts, and try to use your brain, it's not a hard one to figure out.
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mclj10 Featured By Owner May 26, 2015
Capitalist nations have higher inequality, some have higher censorship, and have higher slavery. I don't think people working in sweatshops in Capitalist Bangladesh agree that they have the best working conditions. Or those in Ghana, or India, or Iraq, or those other tens of capitalist nations you forget about because they aren't the west.
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CaptainSquirel Featured By Owner May 26, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The best foundation is freedom.... The nations you listed do indeed struggle with freedom. Yet Capitalist nations do have higher wages, lower slavery, lower inequality, and lower censorship. It's true not all are doing as good as others, but that is simply because the government doesn't fully embrace the Capitalist ideology. Iraq is also a bad example since they are in a constant war. War on ISIS, and the continuing war with the Sunni and Shiites. Those countries which fully embrace a free market do better then those which don't. However there are some which claim to be Capitalist and yet go about it the wrong way or are just a very limited type of Capitalist. It is also impossible for a nation to be completely free of these injustices, but if the government tried by passing laws and imprisoning/executing people who are racist.... etc. then the government holds all the power, and as we (humanity) seen time and time again no government should have power over people and their beliefs. It is wrong for someone to be racists.... etc. yes, but is it their fundamental right to be how they want to be, yes. Also most nations who have Communist, or Socialists beliefs do have more injustice. For example, Hitler wasn't just against the Jews, he also racists, and homophobic. Hitler then took his power to censor and kill all those who stand out against him.
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mclj10 Featured By Owner May 27, 2015
You are outright wrong. Capitalist nations ALWAYS have higher inequality, and ALWAYS have higher slavery. That is a 100% fact. You are wrong.And sod off with your "don't fully embrace capitalism". The only nation that did was Somalia, after their whole anarchy thing, that was the ONLY nation with a truly free market, that really embraced capitalism. I'm sure it was a very nice place to live. Being racist is not a fundamental right, it is fundamentally wrong, and no one has the right to be racist. And you stop with the Hitler was a socialist bullshit too.
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CaptainSquirel Featured By Owner May 27, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Considering your profile picture is of Stalin Approves.... I honestly can't debate with someone who is missing fundamental history and facts. Being yourself is a fundamental right, why is right for someone to be homosexual without the right to judge them for being homosexual? Is it wrong to do that sure, but it's a belief and a government shouldn't mess with someone's beliefs. Once the government messes with people beliefs it leads to controlling the people. If you accurately lived in one of these Communist nations, you would probably change your mind. Anyways I'm done, I clearly will never be able to change your mind nor my.
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mclj10 Featured By Owner May 27, 2015
GG "Your picture...". Good argument. If being yourself is hating others, then no you can't be yourself. You have no right to judge people based on things they can't change, and discriminate against them based on that. If I lived in a formerly Socialist nation, I would probably be one of the 63% of Romanians, 72% of Hungarians, 57% of East Germans, 81% of Serbians, 66% of Slovakia's, 60% of Russians, 66% of Armenians, 56% of Ukrainians or 46% of Slovenians who preferred or would like to return to Socialism. And if you wan't links to those stats I can provide them on request.
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micku-kun Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
socialists and communist are just sheep following the same path that capitalism creates for them to feel different, you are just replacing the corporations and giving the government the complete control over your life turning it into a capitalist state
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KarenRonwood Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It's amazing how you seem to think capitalism is worse than all the above injustices.

With the way you define capitalism I honestly agree with you. Though I am an Anarcho Capitalist, and would term what you describe as "corporatism."

However I feel compelled to correct you on this:

"It wasn't capitalism that gave us the 8-hour workday, the weekend, safe working conditions, the abolition of child labor, the right to vote for blacks and women, equal rights under the law for all races and creeds, or any of that stuff. It was the people united against the tendencies of capitalism that gave us what we so needed."

Most of these practices actually originated in the market due to competition for labor, only to later be codified into law by government, and be credited to unions.

Before the industrial revolution most people had to work 16 hour days just to feed their families. When people started moving to the cities the old labor practices came with them, but it didn't take long for everyone to realize that with the increased productivity industrialization offered they could live quite comfortably while working far less hours.

If Capitalist A is paying you $1 an hour with a 16 hour workday, and Capitalist B invests in some labor saving machinery that allows him to offer to pay you $2 an hour with an 8 hour workday you'll want to take Capitalist B up on his offer since you'll be making the same amount in half the time. This is competition for labor.

If not for government and central banks (I see them as two parts of the same whole) we'd likely have the same or better living standards while working less than 8 hours a day. In the latter half of the 20th century economists were predicting that by the 21st century people would be working more like 8 hours a week due to all the productivity enhancing technology we've been developing. However, what those economists failed to predict was the destructive effect of inflation on the cost of living.

Competition for labor also resulted in safer working conditions. If workers are injured or killed at Capitalist A's factory, but not at Capitalist B's factory then workers who value their safety will prefer to work at Capitalist B's factory.

Child labor is an interesting topic. Before industrialization children had to work to support their families. Once again when families moved to the cities, they brought the old labor practices with them. Once again it didn't take people long to realize that parents were earning enough for their family to live comfortably and for their children to go to school. It wasn't until 1938 that government declared it illegal to hire children. By this point child labor was already all but unheard of outside of agriculture, and even there children only comprised 6-7% of the workforce.

The government was the one who precluded all but white males from voting. It was government who legally supported slavery and even went so far as to subsidize slave catchers. It was capitalism that put the final nail in the coffin for slavery with the advent of industrialized farming. A plantation owner with ten employees and a cotton gin could produce more than a plantation owner with a hundred slaves. All government did was send half a million men off to die and take all the credit with a nice speech and a few pen strokes amending the constitution. Every other nation on Earth (with the exception of Haiti) managed to end slavery without a war.
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Akatsuki-Kuchiki Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2014
( a tip of the hat to you) This is very true.
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abraxaes Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2014
This doesnt work with human psychology as proven by every communist regime EVER, and also this is what EVERY communist regime used on a daily basis to run their countries.
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mclj10 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2014
Please inform me of a racist, homophobic, xenophobic, communistic nation.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner May 25, 2014  Student Writer
To this day no one has ever managed to give me an alternative that would realistically work. 
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mlmiller Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2014
Let me guess. You still work for money, still live in the Capitalist West. Red China, USSR, Albania, Cuba have all tried Marxist Socialism. As did the Mayflower pioneers, although it was well before Marx categorized it. Guess what. No one likes it when they work harder than someone else,  but don't reap the rewards, because everything has to be divided "equally". Don't like capitalism? Then don't work for money, find some lace to live where you need no "money". Good luck. It will probably be a Hunter Gatherer society, with no Cell phones, Computers, sanitary napkins, Midol, you name it. Good luck. And yes, Unions are part of Capitalism. Just go talk to their Presidents who make a lot more than you do.
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MyLittleTripod Featured By Owner May 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
"You still work for money, still live in the Capitalist West."

Not out of any meaningful choice. Most of us still need some form of income in order to survive. But by your logic, it's hypocritical to be a slave on a slaveowners land and yet hate being a slave.

"Red China, USSR, Albania, Cuba have all tried Marxist Socialism."

Actually it was more like a form of State-institutionalized Socialism, which failed because the leaders behind the revolutions (Mao,Lenin,Castro etc.) foolishly assumed that they could use their power as well as their control over the state as a means to achieving the Stateless, Classless, Moneyless Society that Karl Marx promised in his Communist Manifesto, but as the book 1984 says: "No-one ever seizes power without relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end."

"Guess what. No one likes it when they work harder than someone else,  but don't reap the rewards, because everything has to be divided "equally"."

A simple solution to this that doesn't require Capitalism: 
in every worker-run factory, have democratically elected "Labour Moniters" that look at the amount of productive hours that a worker has done and determines the wage accordingly, so that the guy who sits on the job gets paid next to nothing and thus is incentivised to work harder. I believe that equal pay should mean equal ability to earn the no. of wages he desires, not a fixed amount that is paid to every worker no matter how hard he works.

"Don't like capitalism? Then don't work for money, find some lace to live where you need no "money"."

Not as simple as that. Eventually at some point, some large Corporation or Bureaucrat with a large sum of money will come across your turf and decide that he just might like having that, and you won't be able to fight back. Unless you go to the most remote corner of the earth, which just isn't an option for most people.

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And yes, Unions are part of Capitalism. Just go talk to their Presidents who make a lot more than you do."

Firstly,explain the Corporate opposition to worker unions in the early part of the 20th Century, like the Dublin Lockout of 1913 for example. Secondly, how does the Presidents of these unions having more money than me make them better than me? It's like saying that Donald Trump is smarter than me because he's wealthier.
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Fight Actual Racism
Fight Actual Sexism
Fight Actual Homophobia
Fight Cruelty
Fight Government Censorship
Fight Imperialism
Fight Fascism
Fight Slavery
Fight Warmongering
FIGHT SOCIALISM

Milton Friedman FTW :D
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DeltaHD Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014
Don't forget Free Religion.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Lennin did a good job of fighting all those things. he decriminalized homosexuality, outlawed racism and anti-semitism and let women into the universities. 
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Perhaps an understanding of the terms you're throwing around (and English grammar to boot) will make you a bit more credible.  ;)
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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2014  Professional Writer
your well aware that in order to fight slavery, you need to fight communism. slaver nations are communist/socialist states. and slave labor is required to make the dream of the red star, a possibility. there's only equal rights because there are none, and there is major links between fascism and communism, when you make a socialism, it could become either. recommend you re read your manifesto, and see if that is what you seek as a final result.
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DeltaHD Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014
Your misusing the term socialism, Socialism is common ownership/ the People own the means of production, your thinking of state socialism/ state slavery. Stop misusing the term Socialism!
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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014  Professional Writer
Sorry but it is you who is confusing the free market with the word socialism, get your facts strait or don't debate.
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DeltaHD Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014
the difference is the means of production is publicly owned, the gov. dosen't own anything
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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014  Professional Writer
That's a free market, in a socialism the gov has partial if not complete control over everything, no use owning it if it isn't yours to control, and in a comunisum, you own nothing, as does a subject of a slave state. That is how Webster made the comparison in 1999. And it still stands today, if you can find it.
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DeltaHD Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014
Socialism is the collective ownership by all the people of the factories, mills, mines, railroads, land and all other instruments of production.

Socialism means direct control and management of the industries and social services by the workers through a democratic government based on their nationwide economic organization.

Under socialism, all authority will originate from the workers, integrally united in Socialist Industrial Unions. In each workplace, the rank and file will elect whatever committees or representatives are needed to facilitate production. Within each shop or office division of a plant, the rank and file will participate directly in formulating and implementing all plans necessary for efficient operations.

Socialism does not mean government or state ownership. It does not mean a closed party-run system without democratic rights. Those things are the very opposite of socialism.

"Socialism," as the American Socialist Daniel De Leon defined it, "is that social system under which the necessaries of production are owned, controlled and administered by the people, for the people, and under which, accordingly, the cause of political and economic despotism having been abolished, class rule is at end. That is socialism, nothing short of that." And we might add, nothing more than that!

Remember: If it does not fit this description, it is not socialism—no matter who says different. Those who claim that socialism existed and failed in places like Russia and China simply do not know the facts.

Socialism will be a society in which the things we need to live, work and control our own lives—the industries, services and natural resources—are collectively owned by all the people, and in which the democratic organization of the people within the industries and services is the government. Socialism means that government of the people, for the people and by the people will become a reality for the first time.

Socialism has never existed (in its purest form). It did not exist in the old U.S.S.R., and it does not exist in China. Socialism will be a society in which the things we need to live, work and control our own lives—the industries, services and natural resources—are collectively owned by all the people, and in which the democratic organization of the people within the industries and services is the government. Socialism means that government of the people, for the people and by the people will become a reality for the first time.

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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014  Professional Writer
Sorry but socialism and democracy together in a paragraph, up to this point in history is an oxymoron. 

And your last paragraph just proves that I need to block you for three weeks so you can sit down and open a book and study maybe, I'll just do that. You enjoy yourself comrade.
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DeltaHD Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014
Your Brainwashed by Western Propaganda.
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sparearth Featured By Owner May 17, 2014
there's no point in getting your argument across with these people; it goes out the other ear.
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DeltaHD Featured By Owner May 17, 2014
:nod:
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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014  Professional Writer
Or correct facts in figures as anyone that study's politics would say, ann't no propaganda in what I'm saying right now.
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The-Conquerors Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
An old comment but don't you find it funny how when you ask these socialist what the definition of socialism is they all give a different damn answer and are oblivious their "comrades" contradict each other with their definitions. Also if you point out all the shit communist countries have done they either say" That's not socialism," or "Well, the people who lived under them had great lives... or so I've heard. Maybe." ~ C
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Margaritamaster Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2013
FIGHT GULAGS
FIGHT CHAOS
FIGHT BLOOD OF THE REVOLUTION
FIGHT MURDER IN THE NAME OF EQUALITY
FIGHT TOTALITARISM
FIGHT HETEROFOBIA
FIGHT CHE GUEVARA
FIGHT STALIN
FIGHT LENIN
FIGHT ECOTERRORISTS
FIGHT HYPOCRITES

FIGHT COMMUNISM!
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DeltaHD Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014
You fight for the Rich,
 the Fascists
the Oppressors
Inequality
Racism
Capitalism
Wall street
Homophobics
 Anti Religion
and Tryranny!
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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2014  Professional Writer
Words to live by
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you
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plzwork112234 Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
[link] And as a counter to your statement, Capitalism rules
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2013
So you prefer slavery to the state over voluntary employment. Got it.
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BraboAnarcho Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013
(A)!
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krasnaya-zastava Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013
Good poster, comrade
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BlackEvilSkull666 Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Liar
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matt67potter Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
in the words of the certin extremists "DEATH TO AMERICA"


joke
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million7 Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
notice how there's no "Fight Violence". Oh yeah, that's because to fight for all these things it would require force and violence.

You're not against the state, you're the product of the state, because your answer to all your problems is violence.

This is the list of a control freak.
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Saint-Tepes Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
No communism and fascism? Well fascism and imperialism are dead, but to the way it looks, capitalism is the greater evil for you :|
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hooded-wanderer Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Student General Artist
Imperialism is far from dead; just taking a different form. 
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M-M-X Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2011   Photographer
FIGHT COMMUNISM
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So what's your ideology? I looked at your gallery, and you seem to be on the Left.
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M-M-X Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2011   Photographer
I'm a right wing libertarian, I believe in freedom and responsibility (both personal and economic). Just because I cover an event as a journalist doesn't mean that I agree with everything what people do there. If you have a better look at my gallery, you will also find photos from right wing conservative protests or nazi protests - and one can hardly be a right wing conservative nazi communist :D
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Okay then. And yes, I know you can't be a nazi communist. After all, the Nazis went after communists as well.
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M-M-X Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2011   Photographer
Only after they divided Poland between themselves ;)
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